RichardKennaway comments on Deliberate Grad School - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 October 2015 12:31:22AM 1 point [-]

I don't follow your argument re Bayesian epistemology, in fact, I find it not at all obvious. The argument looks like insisting on a different vocabulary while doing the same things, and then calling it statistics rather than epistemology.

while also not believing in certain spooky things called "continuous random variables", which don't really fit into Cox's Theorem very well, if I understood Jaynes correctly.

Can you give a pointer to where he disbelieves in these? He does refer to them apparently unproblematically here and there, e.g. in deducing what a noninformative prior on the chords of a circle should be.

Comment author: [deleted] 29 October 2015 03:37:51AM -1 points [-]

I don't follow your argument re Bayesian epistemology, in fact, I find it not at all obvious. The argument looks like insisting on a different vocabulary while doing the same things, and then calling it statistics rather than epistemology.

1) Dissolving epistemology to get statistics of various kinds underneath is a good thing, especially since the normal prescription of Bayesian epistemology is, "Oh, just calculate the posterior", while in Bayesian statistics we usually admit that this is infeasible most of the time and use computational methods to approximate well.

2) The difference between Bayesian statistics and Bayesian epistemology is slight, but the difference between Bayesian statistics and the basic nature of traditional philosophical epistemology that the Bayesian epistemologists were trying to fit Bayesianism into is large.

3) The differences start to become large when you stop using spaces composed of N mutually-exclusive logical propositions arranged into a Boolean algebra. For instance, computational uncertainty and logical omniscience are nasty open questions in Bayesian epistemology, while for an actual statistician it is admitted from the start that models do not yield well-defined answers where computations are infeasible.

Can you give a pointer to where he disbelieves in these?

I can't, since the precise page number would have to be a location number in my Kindle copy of Jaynes' book.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 October 2015 09:09:36AM 1 point [-]

Can you give a pointer to where he disbelieves in these?

I can't, since the precise page number would have to be a location number in my Kindle copy of Jaynes' book.

A brief quote will do, enough words to find them in my copy.