Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes Thread November 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 17 November 2015 05:17:54PM *  3 points [-]

So, this is basically mandatory partial insurance on loans? Economically this means (assuming your proposal is revenue-neutral for banks) forced wealth transfer from borrowers who were able to pay off the loans to borrowers who were not able to.

I don't think it's a terribad idea which will doom the Western civilization, but I don't think it's much good, either. You're effectively setting up a "bankruptcy lite" regime where you still have to go to court and show that you're destitute ("unable to pay", so presumably you have no cash and nothing in your bank accounts), but if the court decides it was not your fault, you get to keep some of your assets. Meh.

You'll also get a bunch of unintended consequences, as usual. Off the top of my head here are two:

  • If there is a significant chance the loan will be forgiven if the debtor has no money, banks will start to take credit scores seriously. People with a healthy bank account will be given loans, people who live paycheck to paycheck will be denied loans or charged exorbitant rates. There is no right to credit, and no right to low rates either. Make it too easy to default on a loan and the banks will react by just not giving loans to people likely to default.

  • Specifically with respect to auto loans, if there is a chance you won't be able to get your collateral (the car) back, the banks will have incentives to find other ways to finance. For example, you can structure a lease with an option to buy at the end to be much like a car loan: make the monthly payments larger, make the residual value smaller, and it's quite similar. But the crucial difference is that you can always repossess the leased car. Therefore under your proposed regime, leases will become more frequent.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 21 November 2015 08:51:45AM *  0 points [-]

So, this is basically mandatory partial insurance on loans?

I read them less as proposing it should be mandatory and more as proposing it should be opt-out. In a perfectly efficient market the latter would make no difference compared to opt-in, and in the real world it would move some trivial inconveniences around.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 November 2015 03:40:55PM 0 points [-]

I read them less as proposing it should be mandatory and more as proposing it should be opt-out.

To quote from RichardKennaway's comment

This is an existing structure, perhaps too much so. In the UK it is called Payment Protection Insurance. The problem with PPI is that it was sold under pressure to people who did not need it. The fallout from that has cost some banks billions, or rather, it has forced them to give back billions they should never have received.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 27 November 2015 05:07:09PM 0 points [-]

googles "Payment Protection Insurance" and educates self