freyley comments on Using the Copernican mediocrity principle to estimate the timing of AI arrival - Less Wrong

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Comment author: freyley 06 November 2015 05:01:14PM 3 points [-]

75% probability that the following things will be gone by: LessWrong: 2020 Email: 2135 The web: 2095 Y Combinator: 2045 Google: 2069 Microsoft: 2135 USA: 2732 Britain: 4862

These don't seem unreasonable.

I'm not sure that this method works with something that doesn't exist coming into existence. Would we say that we expect a 75% chance that someone will solve the problems of the EmDrive by 2057? That we'll have seasteading by 2117?

Comment author: V_V 07 November 2015 02:49:29PM *  3 points [-]

I can't see any plausible reason to predict that Microsoft will last longer than Google or that Britain will last longer than the USA.

In general, I tend to assume that recent history is more relevant to future prediction than older history, a sort of generalized informal Markov assumption if you wish, therefore trying to predict how long things will last based only on their age is likely to yield incorrect results.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 07 November 2015 01:00:34PM *  0 points [-]

These don't seem unreasonable.

I'd give Less Wrong and e-mail substantially more than 25% chance of surviving to 2020 and 2135 respectively in some form, and the US a bit less than 25% chance of surviving to 2732. (But still within the same ballpark -- not bad for such a crude heuristic.)

Comment author: turchin 06 November 2015 09:36:56PM 0 points [-]

I think it should work if we see clear effort to create something physically possible. In case of Emdrive it may be proved that it is impossible. (But NASA just claimed that its new version of Emdrive seems to work :) In case of seasteding I think it is quite possible and most likely will be created during 21 century.

We could also use this logic to estimate next time nuclear weapons will be used in war, based on 1945 date. It gives 75 per cent for the next 105 years.

But if we use 75 per cent interval, it also means that 1 of 4 predictions will be false. So Lesswrong may survive )))