Lumifer comments on Linguistic mechanisms for less wrong cognition - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 01 December 2015 05:02:19PM 1 point [-]

the same object that's a teacup when it's intended to store tea liquids suddenly becomes a bowl when it's intended to contain soup.

Nope, it does not. Teacups have handles and bowls don't.

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 December 2015 05:09:49PM 1 point [-]

Nope, it does not. Teacups have handles and bowls don't.

It might very well be true that there are English dialects where teacup means a cup with a handle but that's not general usage. Wikipedia start by it's description of teacups by saying: "A teacup is a cup, with or without a handle".

I'm in the process of reading Anna Wierzbicka's Imprisoned in English where she makes the claim that the intent of usage is what distinguishes a cup from a bowl.

Comment author: Lumifer 01 December 2015 06:10:43PM 1 point [-]

So, during the Japanese tea ceremony do they drink the tea out of teacups? I don't think so.

As to Wikipedia, it's funny how they provide two images, one with a handle and one without. The one with a handle is called a "teacup". The one without a handle is called a "tea bowl" :-P

I am not sure why should I grant any authority to Anna Wierzbicka's opinion.

By the way, Wiktionary defines a teacup as "A small cup, with a handle, used for drinking tea".

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 December 2015 07:44:04PM 0 points [-]

The main point is that English is quite diverse. Not every language user uses it the same way. The British used to put a lot of value into drinking tea. The Americans generally don't but these days physicalism is quite prominent so it's reasonable when the meaning changes. What used to be about the purpose of the item became a word about whehter or it has a handle.

Comment author: Lumifer 01 December 2015 07:53:34PM *  1 point [-]

...used to put a lot of value into drinking tea ... but these days physicalism is quite prominent

Are you providing examples for this paper? X-)

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 December 2015 08:17:39PM -1 points [-]

No, I reference a well-defined meaning. Physicalism does happen to be about not seeing the purpose of an object as part of its identity. It does happen to be a strong cultural force.

Comment author: Vaniver 01 December 2015 06:44:00PM 0 points [-]

Teacups have handles and bowls don't.

Or... do they?

Comment author: Lumifer 01 December 2015 06:52:09PM *  2 points [-]

I don't believe I ever heard the expression "handled bowl" before. It sounds... clumsy.

I drink tea. Sometimes I drink it out of teacups, sometimes I drink it out of tea bowls. The difference between them is quite clear in my mind. Even if I decide to become (more) silly and start putting soup in them, it will not change the teacups into bowls.