ChristianKl comments on Rationality Quotes Thread December 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 01 January 2016 09:14:25PM 2 points [-]

biostatisticians

Just for completion, Anders_H is one of those guys.

Comment author: Clarity 02 January 2016 04:50:49AM -1 points [-]

How self-referentially absurd. More precisely, epidemiologists do this day in day out using biostatistical models, then applying causal inference (the counterfactual knowledge part incl.). I said biostatisticians because epidemiology isn't in the common vernacular. Ironically, counterfactual knowledge is, to those familiar with the distinction, distinctly removed from the biostatistical domain.

Just for the sake of intellectual curiosity, I wonder what kind of paradox was just invoked prior to this clarification.

It wouldn't be the epimenides paradox since that refers to an individual making a self-referentially absurd claim:

The Epimenides paradox is the same principle as psychologists and sceptics using arguments from psychology claiming humans to be unreliable. The paradox comes from the fact that the psychologists and sceptics are human themselves, meaning that they state themselves to be unreliable

Anyone?

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 January 2016 09:29:22AM 1 point [-]

More precisely, epidemiologists do this day in day out using biostatistical models, then applying causal inference (the counterfactual knowledge part incl.)

Yes, Anders_H is Doctor of Science in Epidemiology. He's someone worth listening to when he tells you about what can and can't be done with experiment design.

Comment author: Clarity 03 January 2016 09:17:10AM *  -1 points [-]

Oooh, an appeal to authority. If that is the case he is no doubt highly accomplished. However, that need not translate to blind deference.

This is a text conversation, so rhetorical questions aren't immediately apparent. Moreover, we're in a community that explicitly celebrates reason over other modes of rhetoric. So, my interpretation of his question about counterfactual conditions was interpreted was sincere rather than disingenuous.

Comment author: ChristianKl 03 January 2016 09:49:02AM *  1 point [-]

Oooh, an appeal to authority. If that is the case he is no doubt highly accomplished. However, that need not translate to blind deference.

Yes, but if you disagree you can't simply point to biostatisticians do this day in day out and a bunch of wikipedia articles but actually argue the merits of why you think that those techniques can be used in this case.