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Comment author: ChristianKl 04 January 2016 12:24:53PM *  2 points [-]

Being rational means many things, but surely one of them is making decisions based on some kind of reasoning process as opposed to recourse to emotions.

No. CFAR rationality is about aligning system I and system II. It's not about declaring system I outputs to be worthy of being ignored in favor of system II outputs.

You might, for example, have very strong emotions about matters pertaining to fights between your perceived in-group and out-group, but you try to put those aside and make judgments based on some sort of fundamental principles.

The alternative is working towards feeling more strongly for the fundamental principles than caring about the fights.

emotions are not easy to fake and humans have strong intuitions about whether someone's expressed feelings are genuine.

A person who cares strongly for his cause doesn't need to fake emotions.

Comment author: ZoltanBerrigomo 08 January 2016 11:55:50PM *  0 points [-]

No. CFAR rationality is about aligning system I and system II. It's not about declaring system I outputs to be worthy of being ignored in favor of system II outputs.

I believe you are nitpicking here.

If your reason tells you 1+1=2 but your emotions tell you that 1+1=3, being rational means going with your reason. If your reason tells you that ghosts do not exist, you should believe this to be the case even if you really, really want there to be evidence of an afterlife.

CFAR may teach you techniques to align your emotions and reason, but this does not change the fundamental fact that being rational involves evaluating claims like "is 1+1=2?" or empirical facts about the world such as "is there evidence for the existence of ghosts?" based on reason alone.

Just to forestall the inevitable objections (which always come in droves whenever I argue with anyone on this site): this does not mean you don't have emotions; it does not mean that your emotions don't play a role in determining your values; it does not mean that you shouldn't train your emotions to be an aid in your decision-making, etc etc etc.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 09 January 2016 01:06:37PM 3 points [-]

Being rational involves evaluating various claims and empirical facts, using the best evidence that you happen to have available. Sometimes you're dealing with a domain where explicit reasoning provides the best evidence, sometimes with a domain where emotions provide the best evidence. Both are information-processing systems that have evolved to make sense of the world and orient your behavior appropriately; they're just evolved for dealing with different tasks.

This means that in some domains explicit reasoning will provide better evidence, and in some domains emotions will provide better evidence. Rationality involves figuring out which is which, and going with the system that happens to provide better evidence for the specific situation that you happen to be in.

Comment author: ZoltanBerrigomo 11 January 2016 03:28:40AM *  1 point [-]

Sometimes you're dealing with a domain where explicit reasoning provides the best evidence, sometimes with a domain where emotions provide the best evidence.

And how should you (rationally) decide which kind of domain you are in?

Answer: using reason, not emotions.

Example: if you notice that your emotions have been a good guide in understanding what other people are thinking in the past, you should trust them in the future. The decision to do this, however, is an application of inductive reasoning.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 11 January 2016 05:29:08PM 0 points [-]

Sure.