bogus comments on Rationality Quotes Thread January 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: bogus 29 January 2016 11:14:17AM *  0 points [-]

the Constitution protects a right to gay marriage

The Constitution protects all rights that are originally retained by the people:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

If there is a natural right to gay marriage, the Constitution protects it. That is, the Constitution protects gay marriage to the extent that recognition of gay marriage is in some sense naturally required as a precondition of fostering "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"; as are the rights to free speech and free exercise of religion, to self-defense and self-organized collective defense, and all of the other rights recognized in the U.S. Constitution. A natural right “is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.” (United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876))

Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 30 January 2016 05:27:12AM 1 point [-]

I like the Ninth Amendment too, but it's worth noting that the majority opinion in Obergefell v. Hodges cited the due process and equal protection clauses, not natural rights: one could argue that the rationale was absurd even if the outcome was correct.

Comment author: TimS 30 January 2016 05:05:57PM 0 points [-]

So, the 14th Amendment protects "privileges or immunities." There's some of historical evidence of what those might include. But in the Slaughterhouse cases, the Supreme Court drained the phrase of any legal significance. There are many legal scholars across the political spectrum who think the Slaughterhouse cases are inconsistent with original public meaning.

Those scholars who think Obergefell, Roe, and such are consistent with original public meaning tend to say that "substantive" due process should be understood as code for "privileges or immunities."

Comment author: bogus 30 January 2016 03:04:27PM *  0 points [-]

cited the due process and equal protection clauses, not natural rights

Huh? What would the word "protection" in the latter clause refer to, if not protection of natural rights?

Comment author: TimS 30 January 2016 05:07:31PM 0 points [-]

It's a controversial position that natural rights are what the Constitution protects, even among legal scholars who think the Constitution should be interpreted according to original public meaning (most "originalists").