WhyAsk comments on Open Thread, January 4-10, 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: WhyAsk 07 January 2016 09:47:58PM -1 points [-]

Game Theory (Nalebuff, Avinash) says carrying a gun is a dominant strategy. Does it favor concealed, or open carry? TIA.

Comment author: Elo 10 January 2016 08:17:34PM -1 points [-]

simple thought experiment: You are carrying a gun. Someone else decides they want to do something dangerous with a gun. (shoot some people; commit a gun-crime, etc.). They know they are about to become a target because everyone else is usually also self-preserving. They decide to shoot anyone with the means to slow them down. That primarily includes everyone else with a gun; anyone else strong enough to overpower them, and anyone able to alert authorities on them.

Who do they shoot first? anyone else with a gun. Likely a not safe position to carry a gun

Comment author: wizard 11 January 2016 04:14:02AM *  1 point [-]
Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2016 01:57:58AM *  1 point [-]

Likely a not safe position

I wouild recommend making some numerical calculations of probabilities involved, in particular with respect to finding oneself at the scene of some rampage AND being selected as a target because you have a gun AND not being able to do anything about that (like follow the example of Han Solo).

Comment author: WhyAsk 10 January 2016 09:17:23PM *  1 point [-]

The decision tree for this gets complex even after the split for concealed or open carry.

Also, shot through the heart, a person has about 10 seconds left to act (to return fire, I hope).

Comment author: Elo 10 January 2016 09:59:17PM 0 points [-]

given the choice; I'd rather avoid the position of "most likely to get shot first" more than gain the utility of "have 10 seconds in which to shoot back right before I die".

Comment author: Manfred 08 January 2016 09:05:13AM 0 points [-]

First big problem is obviously that things are only proven given some starting premises, and in this case those premises are highly questionable. Carrying a gun has plenty of costs that might outweigh the benefits.

Obviously it costs money, and peoples' reactions to you may be a cost, but I think the most interesting, and possibly biggest, cost may be the mortal one. Gun accidents are rare but they happen, especially if you're going to be carrying your gun around loaded, so in order to check whether it's worth it to carry a gun, one of the things you might want to estimate is the risk of accidents. Even more interesting to me is the risk that if I become temporarily suicidal, having a gun might increase my probability of suicide, and right now I don't want my future self to commit suicide (unless terminally ill etc.).

Comment author: Dagon 08 January 2016 05:00:26PM -1 points [-]

I only read a synopsis of their book, but it's massively incorrect to take their statements as "game theory says" anything about carrying a gun in the real world. In their incredibly wrong payoff model, gun ownership does dominate. But that payoff model is simply is simply insane.

Comment author: WhyAsk 09 January 2016 03:23:54AM 1 point [-]

What are then appropriate payoff models for carrying or not carrying, concealed or open?