ChristianKl comments on Are we failing the ideological Turing test in the case of ISIS? (a crazy ideas thread) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 11 January 2016 02:14:50PM 2 points [-]

Essentially, if I wanted to run an evil fundamentalist oppressive state I would look as cuddly as possible at first.

Nobody set's out to run an evil fundamentalist oppressive state but certain people set out to run a evil fundamentalist oppressive state.

Apart from that you ignore the fact of what it means to claim to be a caliphate. ISIS got a lot of power through the act of founding a self-proclaimed caliphate.

Comment author: thakil 11 January 2016 04:06:23PM 0 points [-]

I'm a little confused by your first point (I guess you're pointing out a grammar/spelling error, but the only one I note is that you've used "a" instead of "an", and evil starts with a vowel so, no I don't understand that point).

You're second point is correct, I meant to mention that as a cost. By appearing more moderate I cost myself support. I've sort of hand waved the idea that I can just convince everyone to fight for me in the first place, which is obviously a difficult problem! That said I think you could be a little less obviously evil initially and still attract people to your fundamentalist regime.

Comment author: ChristianKl 11 January 2016 04:13:17PM *  2 points [-]

Right I wanted to say:

Nobody set's out to run an evil fundamentalist oppressive state but certain people set out to run a good fundamentalist oppressive state.

By appearing more moderate I cost myself support.

The question whether or not to declare a caliphate is binary. Either you do or you don't. Then there's a host of obligations with declaring a caliphate.