TheAncientGeek comments on Map:Territory::Uncertainty::Randomness – but that doesn’t matter, value of information does. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 24 January 2016 09:12:20AM 1 point [-]

This is in contrast to Eliezer's point that "Uncertainty exists in the map, not in the territory" - not that he's wrong, just that it's usually not a useful argument to have.

I don't know whether he is wrong in the sense that irreducible uncertainty exists in the territory, but the reasoning he uses to reach the conclusion is invalid.

Comment author: Davidmanheim 26 January 2016 02:43:14AM 0 points [-]

He's discussing a different point.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 26 January 2016 10:19:17AM 1 point [-]

Which is?

Comment author: Davidmanheim 27 January 2016 02:29:13AM 0 points [-]

That humans fall prey to the mind projection fallacy about much more consequential parts of what is clearly epistemic uncertainty.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 28 January 2016 09:05:09AM 0 points [-]

It is not clearly the case that all probability is epistemic uncertainty. There is no valid argument that establishes that. There can be no armchair argument that establishes that, since the existence or otherwise of objective probability is a property of the universe, and has to be established by looking.

Comment author: Davidmanheim 01 February 2016 03:56:46PM 1 point [-]

OK. But, there is still some important epistemic uncertainty that people nonetheless treat as intrinsic, purely because derp.