TheAncientGeek comments on Map:Territory::Uncertainty::Randomness – but that doesn’t matter, value of information does. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: BiasedBayes 23 January 2016 09:33:45AM 1 point [-]

Upvoted. The heuristic "uncertainty exists in the map, not in the territory" is in the first place meant to be an heuristic against frequentist statistics. One can argue that probabilities are properties of the things itself also in situations of purely epistemic randomness. The argument "uncertainty exist in the map, not in the territory" is used in this context to show that thinking probablilities existing as "thing itself" can lead to weird conclusions.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 24 January 2016 09:40:33AM 0 points [-]

is in the first place meant to be an heuristic against frequentist statistics.

And why do we need one of those? Most academics think religious warfare been B-ism and F-ism is silly, and you should use whichever is the most appropriate.

Comment author: BiasedBayes 24 January 2016 05:27:46PM *  1 point [-]

If you mean me and you...well we dont. I agree. But maybe one should ask that having Ronald Aylmer Fishers ideas about Bayesian statistics in mind: "the theory of inverse probabilities must be fully rejected"

Let me reprhase my quote: The heuristic "uncertainty exists in the map, not in the territory" is in the first place meant to be an heuristic against dismissing Bayesian concept of probability."

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 24 January 2016 06:46:11PM 0 points [-]

Then it is a misleading, unnecessarily metaphysical phrasing of the point, and appears to have misled Yudkowsky among others.