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Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 10 March 2016 03:07:57PM *  0 points [-]

Don't focus on explaining. Focus on providing arguments for the claims you are making.

What's the difference?

The claim that middle-aged woman are a class of patients that generally easy to ignore is a significant claim for which you provide no evidence.

Then as evidence I refer you to the site http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/, which is largely devoted to middle-aged women complaining about displaying terrible symptoms, and being ignored.

I predict that you will be tempted to ignore them. They are certainly doing a good job of looking like lunatics. It is a problem with what I am increasingly tempted to think of as 'my tribe'.

If they're too mad for you, then try http://www.tiredthyroid.com/, where one brave and clever lady, who does not look mad at all to me, has comprehensively debunked the medical theory and treatment of hypothyroidism proper.

I have not read the website, but I have recently read the book 'Tired Thyroid'. She has done a wonderful job and gone much deeper into the literature than I have. She debunks not only conventional medicine but all the lunatic alternative treatments too. She provides references from the literature for everything she says.

The book is closely argued. It is heartbreaking. Its arguments affect the lives of millions. Tell me why she is ignored.

The most open-minded thing I've read from "medical science" recently is called 'Dissatisfaction with thyroxine therapy — could the patients be right?' by John Walsh. This man is being ludicrously brave by sticking his neck out that far.

'Could the patients be right?'. About their own symptoms.

This is not science. This is some pathetic parody of science, where idiots in white coats claim the glory of physics despite not being able to reason their way out of paper bags. I call bullshit.

Comment author: Lumifer 10 March 2016 03:53:20PM *  2 points [-]

has comprehensively debunked the medical theory and treatment...

The track record of people who claim things like that is not good.

Go one meta level up and consider the likelihood of all the endocrinologists being knaves or fools...

'Could the patients be right?'. About their own symptoms.

A recent Yvain post might be relevant.

idiots in white coats claim the glory of physics despite not being able to reason their way out of paper bags

Happens all the time X-) but still does not imply that "comprehensive debunkings" are correct. Reverse stupidity, y'know...

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 10 March 2016 04:50:17PM *  0 points [-]

Read Yvain's post. As always brilliant.

I can see the reason for Attitude 2, but I think you're only allowed to use it if your arrogant airy dismissal then results in a drill-down to find the real problem, which real problem then leads to an intervention that actually helps and clears up the original difficulty.

One reason I think I'm a loony is that Yvain liked my first post, and sent me some clever questions which prompted the metamorphosis into the second post.

So I sent him the second post wondering what he thought, and now he's stopped talking to me. Good evidence that I'm unhinged.

My attorney thinks I'm sane (and he should know). And he thinks I'm wrong (and he should know). But he can't tell me why. (and he should be able to).