Lumifer comments on A Medical Mystery: Thyroid Hormones, Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 10 March 2016 04:54:04PM 0 points [-]

What's the difference?

Explaining is about providing a narrative. Adding additional detail can make a narrative more persuasive. On the other hand it also makes the whole story less likely to be true.

Then as evidence I refer you to the site http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/, which is largely devoted to middle-aged women complaining about displaying terrible symptoms, and being ignored.

I don't see how that's evidence for the fact that middle-aged women get treated differently than men or woman that aren't middle-aged.

How do you know that you aren't simply ignoring people who aren't middle-aged women because they aren't complaining as loud as the people towards which you linked?

The book is closely argued. It is heartbreaking. Its arguments affect the lives of millions. Tell me why she is ignored. [...] This is not science. This is some pathetic parody of science, where idiots in white coats claim the glory of physics despite not being able to reason their way out of paper bags. I call bullshit.

If she has the same mentality as you, that mentality is a good recipe for getting ignored.

This reminds me of a woman who thinks that a lot of women lose their needlessly lose their uterus because of operations to remove myomes. Because financial relations between stakeholders in Germany are different than in France, there are a lot more operations in Germany than in France and in France other treatments get used that don't remove the uterus.

She was willing to make that case behind closed doors. In public she was using much more friendly language to be in a position where all-stakeholders would talk to her. As a result she's finds herself in a position where people listen to her.

You seem to suffer from the just-world fallacy.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 10 March 2016 05:27:33PM *  0 points [-]

That all seems fair!

Where am I falling for the just-world fallacy? That seems quite plausible, especially since I've lost my usual ability to see both sides of the argument. And I've come down in favour of nut-jobs and against science. That scares me very much.

Comment author: Lumifer 10 March 2016 05:41:15PM 3 points [-]

And I've come down in favour of nut-jobs and against science.

Careful. Many things claiming to be science aren't. And science is a process, not a temple the high priests of which pronounce infallible truths.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 11 March 2016 05:05:42PM 0 points [-]

Yes, I guess I've been believing that I believe that, while not actually believing it. If I'm right, medical science has, as a body, over the long run, managed to make the situation worse. Despite the fact that most of the people in it are good, clever people, trying their best and caring very much.

I'm shocked by this conclusion, and it makes me distrust the reasoning by which I came to it.

And yet I have a strong feeling that my reasoning is correct, and that my simple obvious hypothesis explains far too much to be entirely wrong.

All I wanted was to be a bit less tired and stupid!

Comment author: Lumifer 11 March 2016 05:37:00PM 0 points [-]

Wanting to be less stupid is a dangerous path to set on.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 11 March 2016 06:01:03PM *  0 points [-]

Yes, I have spent a fair bit of time thinking about how a mind might remain sane under self-improvement. That's why I felt such a fool when my 'less stupid' drugs sent me mad. Especially given that not a week before I'd come up with a theory that strongly suggests it might happen!