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You seem to believe your statement about Sargin contradicts mine. Please explain how iit does so.
Your statement makes it sound like a claim that most of our likes comes from those we paid money to. I hope you see from the description above that is clearly not the case :-)
You are mistaken. I believe my statement about Sargin Rukevwe (you're employing his relatives as well, I think) expands on your statement. As to contradiction, well, I have strong doubts about him getting into effective altruism...
I don't know about most of your likes and I suspect that varies. But your statement makes it sound like your likes do not come from people you pay to like the posts. In fact some of them do.
Isn't it interesting how the list of people jkaufman compiled from just looking at who likes your Facebook posts looks very much like the list of people you pay money to?
I think we're on slightly different semantic grounds here. "Paid likes" is a specific practice, one that we've never engaged in, because it's highly counterproductive to creating an engaged FB community.
Now, are there people we pay who also like our FB posts? Sure. They are the ones who most consistently like them. This is one reason we hired them to work for us. It's a pretty typical thing to do for a nonprofit to hire on volunteers who are passionate about the cause.
I accept that you're skeptical. Here's an example of one of our virtual assistants describing his getting into EA.
Yes, but that is not what you are doing. You are not hiring especially passionate volunteers. You're hiring cheap third-world virtual assistants who repost, like, and generally promote your posts for money, not because they are especially fond of InIn.
Don't see anything about EA in there. Charity work, yes, EA, no.
Sorry, yes, you're interpreting my use of "paid likes" as being a very specific thing, and I mean it differently. Specifically, I'm talking about accounts that (a) click like and (b) are operated by someone who received money from InIn and (c) wouldn't have done (a) without (b).
Ah, I see there was a miscommunication. In that case, sure, there are people who are paid for social media management, and as part of doing so, click like on our posts. Yes, I suppose they would not be doing so as consistently as they are if they were not paid, although someone who was let go due to financial constraints still keeps liking our posts consistently due to his enthusiasm for the content.
You're saying that first they start liking all of your posts, then you reach out to them, and in many cases decide to hire them? The hiring doesn't come before the mass-liking?
Not necessarily. Sometimes they expressed enthusiasm in ways other than liking our posts, such as sending me private emails and expressing a desire to volunteer, etc. We only take on as contractors people who are passionate about the cause, have benefited personally from the content, and volunteer at least 2/3 of their time or more.
*snort*
Let's translate: "We pay our contractors at most 1/3 of the stated rate".
You are being silly. What makes you believe any contractor would work for 1/3 the standard rate?
It would seem that the existence of such contractors follows logically from the fact that you are able to hire people despite the fact that you require contractors to volunteer 2/3 of their time.
The issue at hand is motivation, not existence. Lumifer fails to understand that people would not work at 1/3 of the standard rate if they were not passionate about the cause.
That's why you hire third-world virtual assistants.
They are hired at 1/3 the standard third-world rate, silly. They can make much more working for another organization - they choose to work for Intentional Insights because of their passion for it. But anyway, I'm tired of this. I think I have explained the situation clearly enough for any rational being to update. If you refuse to be rational about it, I'm not going to waste my time on this anymore.
The standard third-world rate is "whatever I can get", love.
LOL. Y'know, you inflict a lot of damage to yourself and your brand just because you stubbornly insist on your petty lies and keep on digging when the correct (dare I say rational? X-D) choice of action is to cut and run...