Old_Gold comments on Rationality Quotes Thread February 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Old_Gold 05 February 2016 02:52:12AM 7 points [-]

I feel I should point out that corrupt grading is easily detectable - one can often see it by looking at a corruptly graded paper,

Except who sees a paper except the grader and the student who wrote it?

Moreover, universities have a strong incentive to not be corrupt in their grading - if they let people slip through without learning the work, employers will start to notice and discount qualifications from that institution,

Empirically this incentive wasn't strong enough.

Comment author: James_Miller 05 February 2016 05:59:52PM 1 point [-]

Agreed.

Comment author: Lumifer 06 February 2016 06:01:26PM 4 points [-]

You do have a recognizable style, y'know...

Comment author: CCC 06 February 2016 09:40:15PM 1 point [-]

Except who sees a paper except the grader and the student who wrote it?

External examiners?

Comment author: James_Miller 07 February 2016 08:36:09PM 0 points [-]

Very rare for undergrads.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 February 2016 11:12:12AM 2 points [-]

In the UK it is standard - my institution has blind marking, double marking and scrutiny by external examiners for all undergraduate exams. Blind marking: we only have a candidate number and not a student's name. Second marking: someone else evaluates the marks (grades) I give - in some cases independently; external examiner: someone from another institution checks that the marking criteria is being followed.

Blind marking could be circumvented in various ways, but doing so would be risky as the exams will be seen by others. Second marking and external examining are a huge time burden but achieve some degree of quality control, especially important as students don't get to see their exam papers again (perhaps the biggest surprise to staff and students who come here from the US and are used to post-exam argumentation as a form of "quality control").

Comment author: James_Miller 09 February 2016 02:27:09PM *  0 points [-]

students don't get to see their exam papers again

This screams "corruption". Knowing that students will be looking at how you grade their paper, and will be comparing how you grade them with how you grade others provides professors with some incentives to be honest and careful in grading.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 February 2016 05:40:51PM 1 point [-]

I'm surprised students put up with it, but they don't know anything different. They hear about US students who argue every single grade but I don't think they realise such students actually exist.

However I'm really happy to be away from my first (US) academic post where I constantly faced pressure from an athletic department to "relax" on grades or overlook "minor problems" from athlete-students. Post exam argumentation from individual students is easy enough to deal with reasonably and honestly, institutional forces are another beast entirely.