Clarity comments on Open Thread, Feb 8 - Feb 15, 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TezlaKoil 08 February 2016 01:07:36PM 2 points [-]

Dagon's points are very good. There's another aspect as well:

Tobacco import and distribution (and in some cases, production) are already nationalized in many countries, especially in the EU. National governments try to impose artificial scarcity (winding down operations, tax increases, fixed pricing), and this makes the statistics look better - officially monitored tobacco sales decrease.

Artificial scarcity cannot last: a black market of RYO tobacco, and home-made cigarettes of dubious origin is always ready to serve customer demands. In the end, the health effects of nationalizing the tobacco industry, and winding down operations, can easily be negative.

Comment author: Clarity 08 February 2016 01:47:16PM 1 point [-]

Artificial scarcity cannot last: a black market of RYO tobacco, and home-made cigarettes of dubious origin is always ready to serve customer demands.

True, but if it's less than the total market that existed before hand, that's still a public health gain

In the end, the health effects of nationalizing the tobacco industry, and winding down operations, can easily be negative.

It can be, but that's just not the best supported hypothesis. The weight of evidence best demonstrates that control measures have thus far been quite uniformly positive.

Comment author: TezlaKoil 08 February 2016 04:06:12PM 2 points [-]

The weight of evidence best demonstrates that control measures have thus far been quite uniformly positive.

I see. The black market effects are well-documented, but I am not familiar with evidence which shows that control measures have any measurable effects on public health. Where could I find that data?