gjm comments on Is Spirituality Irrational? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gjm 04 March 2016 12:38:38PM -1 points [-]

checking up on Eden would have simply required heading up one of those rivers.

Nah. If you head up those rivers and don't find Eden, the obvious conclusion is just that God removed it some time after Adam and Eve left because it was surplus to requirements. It doesn't (at least not obviously, so far as I can see) refute the Genesis story.

Comment author: CCC 09 March 2016 07:43:43AM 0 points [-]

Genesis says it was protected by an angel with a flaming sword. I think it might be reasonable not to expect to find the Garden... but one could expect to find the angel with the flaming sword. After all, if something's there as security, it's generally put where unauthorised people can find it.

It's not an obvious refutation, but it's more likely the result of a non-literal than a literal Garden of Eden.

Comment author: gjm 09 March 2016 09:27:02AM 0 points [-]

If Eden was removed as surplus to requirements, so presumably was the angel. And this all seems like such an obvious thing for an Eden-literalist to say after trekking up the river and finding nothing that I really don't see how the (then) present-day absence of the GoE and angel could possibly have been much evidence against a literal Eden.

Comment author: CCC 14 March 2016 10:50:29AM 0 points [-]

...I take your point. If there had been Eden literalists back then, then that evidence alone would have been insufficient to convince them otherwise.