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Comment author: Lumifer 30 March 2016 12:38:01AM 3 points [-]

There was originally an argument from Mainline Protestantism* that somewhat bridged the gap from.

Interesting. Do you think it was a sort of convergent evolution or there's actually a traceable line of descent from this bit of Protestant theology to SJWs?

SJWs do commonly carry forward as assumptions ideas like “true” desires aren’t going to be contradictory and therefor don’t need to be put in a hierarchy

Yes, but I read it as, basically, refusal to consider the consequences. It's like you make a list of what you want and pay no attention to the costs or likelihood or even whether things you like are compatible with each other.

SJWs certainly do have utopian tendencies and utopias rarely tolerate close scrutiny.

the cultural value (inherited from Christianity) that we want to increase people’s happiness.

I think this value is deeper and more ancient that Christianity -- it's a consequence of being social animals. If I scratch your back, I make it more probable that you'll scratch mine when I need it. As long at the cost is not high, sure, whatever makes you happy.

But I don't think that's what SJWs are all about.

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Comment author: Lumifer 30 March 2016 01:47:32AM 0 points [-]

It's most evident in the Unitarian Universalists

Very interesting. I had them pegged as The Mild Ones, those who got so wishy-washy and all-embracing about religion that the only thing left afterwards was the "Thou shall be nice" commandment. The SJWs look to have more of Maoist DNA...

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Comment author: Lumifer 31 March 2016 02:08:55AM 0 points [-]

And why would they do that?

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Comment author: Lumifer 31 March 2016 03:18:19AM 0 points [-]

since they don't have an a priori reason to distrust them

Um, they don't..? As in, entirely unfamiliar with Chairman Mao and his ways?

such passion means the Maoist-types are expressing their "true desires"

That assertion strongly smells of straw.

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Comment author: Lumifer 31 March 2016 02:53:22PM *  1 point [-]

during the period in question

During which period? SJ is a recent phenomenon, post-civil-rights movement for certain. And to believe the glorious Chinese utopia you had to make a real effort to not notice things.

Hey, I'm trying to explain my understanding of why leftists do what they do.

Well, there is enough evidence to conclude that at least some Maoists were, in fact, driven by the desire for power. Do you have any pointers to writings by UU luminaries where they express the idea that the intensity of emotion is a good way to distinguish whether it comes from God or Satan?

Basically, I'm curious why goody two-shoes types like UU decided to get in bed with Maoist-style people.