Will_BC comments on "3 Reasons It’s Irrational to Demand ‘Rationalism’ in Social Justice Activism" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_BC 30 March 2016 02:25:25PM 7 points [-]

Perhaps that connotation is because of the group in question? I dislike playing word games, the words we use should be interchangeable if they refer to the exact same thing. It's kind of like how we went from Negroes to Black to African Americans in an attempt to combat racism, but the racism was the problem, not bad words, and it only gets confusing when you word police. I was talking to some social justice types before the term was used in a derogatory way online and they described themselves that way, and the first place I saw it online was as a self-description of those groups. Words get loaded with bad affect because people have negative thoughts about the thing being referred to. I think any decision to use a new word that predates changing the thing to which we are referring is premature.

Comment author: Lumifer 30 March 2016 03:07:37PM 8 points [-]

Words get loaded with bad affect because people have negative thoughts about the thing being referred to.

Or, y'know, because people who call themselves these words do bad things.

Comment author: Will_BC 30 March 2016 04:11:07PM 2 points [-]

I was trying not to kick the bees nest too hard, but I agree with you, doing bad things does tend to make people think bad things about you.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 30 March 2016 03:11:35PM 4 points [-]

Someone told me yesterday that airline stewards don't want to be called stewards anymore; they want to be called, I think, flight attendants. The funny thing is that "steward" used to mean a very high-ranking individual, the person who ran a great lord's estate. The airline industry used it for their stewardesses to artificially inflate their status. Over time, the role, at least in the opinion of flight attendants, degraded the word, until they didn't want it anymore.

Comment author: Lumifer 30 March 2016 03:27:31PM 3 points [-]

The thing is, there used to be very few airline stewards but a lot of stewardesses. Back in those ancient days when jet travel was an upper-class thing the airline stewardesses were supposed to be pretty girls. And no, I don't think the word "stewardess" implied any high status. Great lord's estate or no, a steward is still a servant (Gondor notwithstanding).

The change to "flight attendant", IMHO, was done to eliminate the gender reference.