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I agree about this, but what matters in this case is not whether this is an explicit cry of them, but whether it's a good description of their activities, balancing parsimony with the possibility of error. In this case, SJWs have "called out" and railed about things as diverse and seemingly unconnected as Ovid's Metamorphoses, Halloween festivities and a host of "microaggressions" and other sins supposedly committed by professors, invited speakers, and fellow students. Surely there must be a point at which we have to conclude that this movement is not simply 'trying to influence culture' in its preferred direction, but is leaning all-the-more towards a largely futile quest to remake it from the ground up.
Of course even the cultural revolutionnaires were somewhat limited in their effects; they did not after all dismantle the family as an institution or destroy the ancient Terracotta Army. But most people would nonetheless consider theirs a very distinctive "sociopolitical movement". It makes some sense to ponder why, and to what extent that 'distinctiveness' may indeed be shared.
Sure. (Actually, I think there is an important difference between a movement that says, in so many words, "throw away everything old and traditional" and one that isn't willing to be explicit about that. But I'm happy to leave that aside.) And the way it looks to me is not that the SJ movement wants to be rid of classical literature and traditional festivities, but that it wants classical literature taught, and traditional festivities celebrated, in ways that don't upset certain groups in certain ways.
Maybe that's a great idea, maybe it's a terrible one. But it's a long way from saying "out with everything that's old". The sort of "cultural appropriation" some university groups were complaining about at Halloween are actually a relatively new thing. Actual traditional Halloween has ghosts and skeletons and witches and the like, not people dressing up as Mexicans or putting on blackface. And slapping "trigger warnings" on the rapes in Ovid's Metamorphoses might be a waste of time, or might be overindulging people you would prefer not to indulge (though, for my part, I incline towards being generous with accommodations for rape victims) but it doesn't erase Ovid from the canon or stop anyone reading his poetry.
Surely. But I don't see anything suggesting that we've reached that point, or that we're going to.
They were, but they got a damn sight further than the SJ movement has. I don't know how far that's because they were genuinely more extreme, and how far it's because they had the might of a totalitarian state backing them up -- but it's because they did so much damage that the Cultural Revolution has the deservedly terrible reputation it has. Just by way of reminder, here are a few examples (taken, because I am lazy, from Wikipedia):
So I'll tell you what. When the SJ movement has destroyed one major historical site and murdered one person, get back to me and I'll willingly agree that the SJ movement, having done only three orders of magnitude less damage than the Cultural Revolution, can reasonably be put in the same pigeonhole for some purposes. Until then, I'm quite comfortable not summoning up the spectre of Mao to haunt us as we watch a few overzealous student societies asking for trigger warnings on classical literature.