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Sure. (Actually, I think there is an important difference between a movement that says, in so many words, "throw away everything old and traditional" and one that isn't willing to be explicit about that. But I'm happy to leave that aside.) And the way it looks to me is not that the SJ movement wants to be rid of classical literature and traditional festivities, but that it wants classical literature taught, and traditional festivities celebrated, in ways that don't upset certain groups in certain ways.
Maybe that's a great idea, maybe it's a terrible one. But it's a long way from saying "out with everything that's old". The sort of "cultural appropriation" some university groups were complaining about at Halloween are actually a relatively new thing. Actual traditional Halloween has ghosts and skeletons and witches and the like, not people dressing up as Mexicans or putting on blackface. And slapping "trigger warnings" on the rapes in Ovid's Metamorphoses might be a waste of time, or might be overindulging people you would prefer not to indulge (though, for my part, I incline towards being generous with accommodations for rape victims) but it doesn't erase Ovid from the canon or stop anyone reading his poetry.
Surely. But I don't see anything suggesting that we've reached that point, or that we're going to.
They were, but they got a damn sight further than the SJ movement has. I don't know how far that's because they were genuinely more extreme, and how far it's because they had the might of a totalitarian state backing them up -- but it's because they did so much damage that the Cultural Revolution has the deservedly terrible reputation it has. Just by way of reminder, here are a few examples (taken, because I am lazy, from Wikipedia):
So I'll tell you what. When the SJ movement has destroyed one major historical site and murdered one person, get back to me and I'll willingly agree that the SJ movement, having done only three orders of magnitude less damage than the Cultural Revolution, can reasonably be put in the same pigeonhole for some purposes. Until then, I'm quite comfortable not summoning up the spectre of Mao to haunt us as we watch a few overzealous student societies asking for trigger warnings on classical literature.