Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes April 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Fyrius 14 April 2016 03:31:23PM 0 points [-]

This seems true, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about.
I've had to teach myself a meta-textual awareness when reading academic stuff, in order to keep in mind why I'm reading this, compare the contents with what other authors say, connect with related concepts, see the implications, etc., while I'm reading. It certainly takes a lot more effort and presence of mind than just following the text.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 April 2016 03:59:44PM 0 points [-]

I would call what you are describing "putting into context" or "inserting new information into an existing framework", but yes, to do that you need some meta awareness.

However if you're reading academic research, what I would consider fully "going meta" is not just looking at other authors or connecting with related concepts, but rather considering the authors' incentives and, say, trying to correct for the publication bias.

Comment author: Fyrius 17 April 2016 12:07:59PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, that too.

Related thought: I think meta is a direction, rather than one specific level. What that would mean is that you can always go further meta; there's reading the text, and then there's considering the text within the academic landscape, then there's examining the text together with its whole branch of science amidst all the sciences, then with science in general amidst human endeavours, etc.
Does that make sense?

Comment author: Lumifer 17 April 2016 09:16:54PM 0 points [-]

Sure, you can go meta again and again. I don't think in terms of meta as a direction, but I think of it as relative to the current level. So you go meta and step out of the current context, but this means you find yourself in a new context, and you can repeat: go meta and step out of this context. You find yourself in a new context and you can repeat: go meta and step out of this context. You find yourself in a new context... :-)

Comment author: Fyrius 18 April 2016 10:10:28AM 0 points [-]

That still sounds like 'meta' is a direction of (metaphorical) movement, but that it can be a different direction every time. Do you suppose you could have a situation where repeatedly 'going meta' would have you moving from one subject to the other and then back again, and again?

Comment author: Lumifer 18 April 2016 02:39:47PM 0 points [-]

If you want to think of it as a direction, the direction is outside. I don't think you can do loops.

Comment author: Fyrius 18 April 2016 10:09:46PM 0 points [-]

That makes sense, I suppose.