ChristianKl comments on My new rationality/futurism podcast - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 07 April 2016 11:43:41PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure whether it's good to speak about that topic in such binary terms.

I have found it personally useful because it reminds me of the difference between what's going on in my brain and the rest of reality. But I agree with you that it's not binary when the issue is, as with autism, human brains.

Given the kind of definition that used frequently by the advocates that every act of sex where the woman didn't explicitely consent is rape, I don't have any trouble believing the 20%

Yes, but they are using words in ways that would confuse people not familiar with academic speak.

I did have discussions on facebook with a LW-affiliated people who does believe the number and think that the indicience rate in her circle of friends is higher than that (and even with a more straightforward definition of rape).

Really, if the definition is the legal one?

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 April 2016 11:03:30AM 0 points [-]

But I agree with you that it's not binary when the issue is, as with autism, human brains.

I think nearly always when you have operationalized scientific vocabulary you have more than two significant layers. Whether you speak about questions like changes in unemployment, genetic effects on illnesses or IQ, the layer between the common understanding of the term and the operationalized version is there.

Economics quesitons such as "Did China's GDP rise" or "Did inflation rise?" simply boil down to more than two layers. People who are not conscious of the different layers and who only distinguish between the binary of what's in their head and what's out there can make reasoning mistakes. As an economist I wouldn't expect you to make those reasoning mistakes about China's GDP or inflation as you are trained to reflect about those concepts but people who aren't trained in economics frequently make mistakes because they are not conscious of the abstractions and you might make the mistake in other areas where you aren't trained to reflect about the area in you try to reason with the binary model in those areas as default.

Yes, but they are using words in ways that would confuse people not familiar with academic speak.

In the podcast you stated that you don't think those people believe in their own numbers. It's also not simply academic speak given that there are enough awareness course to teach every college student what the term is supposed to mean. Yesterday I put a bounty on Skeptics on the question. A new answer comes to the conclusion that it if you count incapacitated sexual assault than you get near the 1 in 5 statistics.

Really, if the definition is the legal one?

I ask Kendra to outline her position herself.

Comment author: James_Miller 08 April 2016 11:26:54PM 1 point [-]

Thanks for asking Kendra to answer here and for posting the question on Skeptics.

Comment author: James_Miller 11 April 2016 03:34:23PM 0 points [-]

Here is a YouTube video on the 1 in 5 statistic: Are 1 in 5 Women Raped at College?