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Comment author: gjm 11 April 2016 12:55:04PM *  -1 points [-]

I don't know what fraction of women attending college are victims of rape there now -- for reasons already aired by others in this thread, the figures often quoted don't seem terribly trustworthy. But I doubt that an official no-sex-before-marriage norm, as such, makes much difference.

Explicit social norms of this kind notoriously make less difference than you might think. (Warning: most of the things below are single studies which could be wrong or misleading in all kinds of ways; but I know of no reason to expect them all to be wrong in the same direction.)

But I bet a no-sex-until-marriage norm was quite effective in making it harder for women to say they'd been raped. Not for the stranger-leaping-out-of-a-bush sort of rape. But for the sort that I think is much more common on college campuses, where someone gets you too drunk to resist or slips drugs into your drink or just declines to stop when you say "look, this feels very nice but I really don't want to go any further" -- well, with those social norms in place you can't tell that sort of story without getting labelled a Bad Girl, in which case you lose even if your story is believed.

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Comment author: gjm 12 April 2016 07:24:53PM -2 points [-]

there were a lot fewer instances of women getting that drunk

That might well be true, but I doubt it was because of the no-sex-before-marriage rule.

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Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 12 April 2016 11:14:32PM 2 points [-]

Hi, Eugine.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 April 2016 11:26:39PM *  -1 points [-]

Depends on how much alcohol is involved

You did specify "very drunk".

Except these hook-ups do not make people happy, as judging by the subsequent developments.

Revealed preferences say otherwise.

And anyway, Eugene, aren't you forgetting the great enabler of the sexual revolution: the Pill? It was (and is) a much much important reason why women don't feel obliged to find one male and stick to him for the rest of their lives. They might prefer to, of course, but they mostly they don't have to.

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Comment author: Lumifer 13 April 2016 12:58:17AM -1 points [-]

What are you revealing them based on?

Actual behaviour. Repeated actual behaviour while being quite aware of the consequences.

many of them feel

What, you believe SJW's "statistics" now about who feels what? X-)

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