gwern comments on Typicality and Asymmetrical Similarity - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 11 January 2012 12:55:11PM *  0 points [-]

Rips (1975) showed that people were more likely to expect a disease would spread from robins to ducks on an island, than from ducks to robins. Now this is not a logical impossibility, but in a pragmatic sense, whatever difference separates a duck from a robin and would make a disease less likely to spread from a duck to a robin, must also be a difference between a robin and a duck, and would make a disease less likely to spread from a robin to a duck.

Alas, the same argument shows that diseases are equally likely to spread from Spaniards to native Americans as the other way around. However, that turned out to be completely wrong: the Spaniards had an extended symbiosis with domestic animals, and had developed immunity to most of their diseases - while the native Americans had no such symbiosis with large animals. They were vulnerable to the germs the Spaniards brought with them, without their germs causing the Spaniards any problems.

The flaw in the argument is that a difference involving a host with a full pathogen reservoir is asymmetric - it makes the pathogens spread away from the reservoir, but not towards it.

Comment author: gwern 11 January 2012 05:51:25PM 0 points [-]

Reasonable, but wouldn't such reasoning make Duck->Robin much more likely than Robin->Duck, since ducks seem to migrate further than robins (which at least in America don't go further south than Florida) -- the exact opposite of what people said?

Comment author: timtyler 11 January 2012 10:27:28PM -2 points [-]

You disagree with their collective intellligence?

Maybe you know something they don't. Or maybe they know something you don't...

Comment author: gwern 11 January 2012 11:27:29PM 0 points [-]

I disagree with collective intelligences all the time. Problem?

Comment author: shminux 12 January 2012 12:45:06AM 0 points [-]

Not a problem, provided you turn out to be right and the "collective intelligences" wrong more often than not. Do you?

Comment author: gwern 12 January 2012 01:18:34AM 0 points [-]

I think I do. My calibration is pretty good so far, and that's on many collectively sourced predictions like Intrade.

Comment author: shminux 12 January 2012 01:19:53AM 0 points [-]

"If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?"

Comment author: gwern 12 January 2012 01:55:04AM 0 points [-]

Akrasia and lack of capital.