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That sounds extremely poor methodologically/deceptively and so unlikely.
Sometimes people do things that are methodologically poor and/or deceptive. If they have a financial incentive to, "sometimes" becomes "quite often". Do Novus have any such incentive? E.g., are they inviting people to pay them for more information about "activist investment", or running some kind of "activist fund" themselves?
Henlons razor, sure, but they confirm my prior knowledge so I'm don't need to doubt it.
Do you think your prior knowledge is independent of the marketing for activist funds done by Novus and also the activist funds themselves?
Yes
Except the author forgets one thing. The other option is justn't fundamental analysis, it's MAKING those companies actually more affecting - GIVING VALUE. That's investor activism.
Other key points:
I think this is very likely. When going to label funds, naturally currently existing ones come to mind - but these are the survivors. Failed activists funds don't leave much of a track record.
That's not how it works. See e.g. this and, in particular, this.
They don't mention being survivorship-bias free, which I would expect them to if they were.
I'm not commenting on that study which I have not read, but merely point out that it is possible to do such studies right.
Yes, I agree it's possible to do them correctly. But few people do, and finding positive results is so much more likely if you do them wrong that poor methodology should be the default explanation for any such positive result.
Why don't we turn the academic literature then. There, failures are just as interesting as successes.
However, would that explain all the variance? Possibly. But it's not the only nor most parsimonious explanation.
Say you picked the highest return indexes - generally emerging country indexes' risky industries. Consider what activists could do to those kinds of firms? Suddenly those indexes's businesses don't look so solid anymore..
But a conclusion in 'Marguerite Schneider and Lori Verstegen Ryan's "A review of hedge funds and their investor activism: do they help or hurt other equity investors?" where these quotes come from, is that hedge funds tend to be even more activist than be explained by that background noise. That suggests there is some sense in activism, at least among institutions (if regular high net worth individuals pooled their funds they might very well fuck up without great proxy advisors)
Why do you consider it unlikely that publically released information is deceptive?
Reputation and consistency
Standard&Poor argued in court that no investor is stupid enough to take their claim that they have integrity at face value. Why do you think Novus has a reputation worth trusting?
Because Novus depends on their reputation to make money based on accurate information, whereas S&P make money based on their ability to present information in a charmng light. Different incentives.