Bound_up comments on Disguised Queries - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bound_up 09 March 2015 07:29:06AM 0 points [-]

Christians allegedly follow the commandments because God told them to. They do what God told them to because of desire to avoid punishment, desire to obtain reward, desire to fulfill their perceived duty, or desire to express their love. They fulfill these desires because it makes them feel good/happy.

Atheists do whatever they do, most of them for the same reason, cut out the idea of it being centered around a personality who effects their happiness.

Harry said he preferred achieving things over happiness, but I can't help thinking that if he had sacrificed his potential, he wouldn't really have been happy about it, no matter how many friends he had.

At the end of the day, happiness drives at least most people, and in theory, all (when they make their decisions through careful consideration, and not just to fulfill some role or habit. As we know, this is rare, and in reality, most people can not trace their decisions' motivation to their happiness or anyone's, or to any other consistent value; so I opine).

Comment author: RichardKennaway 09 March 2015 11:57:33AM 1 point [-]

At the end of the day, happiness drives at least most people, and in theory, all

That sounds like a hidden tautology-by-definition. What is happiness? That which people act to obtain. Why do people act? To obtain happiness. Whatever someone does, you can say after the fact that they did it to make themselves happy.

Comment author: Bound_up 10 March 2015 05:22:39PM 0 points [-]

I think Plastic's got it.

I don't think happiness is defined as whatever people act to obtain. It's something most people fail at with some regularity.

I mean, just look at Elsa, yah?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 10 March 2015 08:06:26PM 1 point [-]

I mean, just look at Elsa, yah?

Er, Elsa? Um, what?

Comment author: Bound_up 11 March 2015 08:24:51PM 0 points [-]

Precisely!

Full of noble desires, and of self-destructive means to achieve them.

Her efforts for happiness are wonderfully demonstrative of the failure systemic to like efforts conceived in ignorance.