elriel comments on How An Algorithm Feels From Inside - Less Wrong

87 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 11 February 2008 02:35AM

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Comment author: Desrtopa 13 February 2013 06:42:12AM 7 points [-]

Existence exists; Only existence exists. We exist with a consciousness: Existence is identity: Identification is consciousness.

This seems like a tremendously unhelpful attempt at definition, and it doesn't really get better from there. It seems as if it's written more to optimize for sounding Deep than for making any concepts understandable to people who don't already grasp them.

The only solution is copious dialog, to confirm that what was intended is that which was understood.

The necessary amounts of dialogue are a great deal less copious if one does a good job being clear in the first place.

Comment author: elriel 08 April 2015 06:11:29PM 0 points [-]

This seems like a tremendously unhelpful attempt at definition, and it doesn't really get better from there. It >seems as if it's written more to optimize for sounding Deep than for making any concepts understandable to >people who don't already grasp them.

There probably isn't any one single way of defining this in a way that is understandable by everyone. That being said, being able to make the distinction between direct experience and concepts is very useful and epistemology has helped many people with this, so I'd say there is value in it.