James_Miller comments on Crazy Ideas Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 18 June 2016 12:33:18AM 8 points [-]

GiveWell should have book/movie/podcast/video game awards (like the Hugo award) open to voting for anyone who has given money through GiveWell in the past year.

Comment author: Jiro 20 June 2016 04:04:56PM 1 point [-]

Because the Hugo award has gone really well.

Comment author: James_Miller 20 June 2016 04:51:34PM 2 points [-]

You only fight over things that are valuable.

Comment author: Lumifer 20 June 2016 08:00:35PM 0 points [-]

Like being an alpha and curb-stomping the betas?

Comment author: James_Miller 21 June 2016 04:15:55AM -1 points [-]

The fight here is against other alphas and the prize is high status women. The curb-stomping is a signal.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 June 2016 05:42:25AM -1 points [-]

Yes, but the question is whether GiveWell should set up an arena for such games :-P

Comment author: James_Miller 21 June 2016 07:45:34AM 0 points [-]

Yes, if it can sell tickets.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 June 2016 02:24:42PM 0 points [-]

I suspect naked midget mud wrestling can sell more tickets :-)

Or you can set up fights between alphas where the prize is high-status men...

Comment author: James_Miller 21 June 2016 08:33:49PM 0 points [-]

This just might harm GiveWell's brand name.

Comment author: hairyfigment 20 June 2016 05:58:27PM 0 points [-]

Not so (or poorly defined); if you want to hurt someone, you can fight over things that would have been valuable to them if you hadn't fought.

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 21 June 2016 08:16:20AM 0 points [-]

What makes donors to Givewell-recommended charities special?

Comment author: James_Miller 21 June 2016 08:33:18PM 0 points [-]

The goal would be to raise money for Givewell. They are special because they likely practice effective altruism.

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 22 June 2016 08:40:52AM 0 points [-]

The goal would be to raise money for Givewell.

Oh, so gaining the right to vote in the awards would incentivize to donate through Givewell? Sounds good. What ideas would you have in mind to make these awards attractive, or prestigious? I mean, why would people care? If they're the only voter choice awards in a given niche, that might make them attractive. The unique spin of being a donor getting someone the right to vote might also entice those looking to have fun while doing good. In that case, we might want to set a floor-level to donate to earn a vote, so the system isn't gamed by a bunch of voters who only donated a cent or whatever.

If all that makes sense, what that would leave is finding a good way to advertise the awards.

Comment author: James_Miller 22 June 2016 10:27:49PM 1 point [-]

A floor might be a good idea, although GiveWell would probably welcome having lots of people give even $1 as it would at least introduce themselves to the organization. You are right that publicity would be the key for this to work.

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 24 June 2016 04:22:02AM *  0 points [-]

Yeah, I think the floor should be relatively low as well, just as a technicality. Like, $0.05 USD, or something, even. Really, I was just thinking it would ruin the vote for future awards if the system was ever gamed by a bunch of trolls, as has happened in the past with TIME's Person of the Year, or with Boaty McBoatface. However, that might not be at all likely, or everyone might be good-humoured enough to not mind anyway.

How serious would you be about actually making this happen? It doesn't seem actually-crazy, and seems only 'crazy' in the sense that the time spent doing it poses a high opportunity cost in terms of a member of the EA community who would do this doing something else valuable with their time. Asking because I could be that person, and/or could find one or more person(s) who could do it instead/also.

Comment author: James_Miller 24 June 2016 05:19:38PM 1 point [-]

"How serious would you be about actually making this happen?" My plans don't go beyond this post, although if someone at GiveWell asked, I would be happy to help out.. It would be fantastic if you wanted to pursue this or find others who would.