Elo comments on General-Purpose Questions Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Sable 19 June 2016 07:30:50AM 1 point [-]

I'll go first. I'm' in the process of applying for jobs in software. Furthermore, it'll be my first job out of college.

Any advice? What will I, five/ten years from now, wish that I had known now?

Should I take a job in a topic that I don't see myself in long-term?

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 19 June 2016 10:29:28PM 7 points [-]

Top boring advice: live close to work.

Comment author: Elo 20 June 2016 12:31:18AM -2 points [-]

I have been believing this for a very long time. I recently went looking for the source of this advice, I couldn't find any - do you have any idea where the source is?

(reason: I have gotten anecdata about how people take advantage of public transport and then shifted to live closer to work and lost their "daily reading hour". AKA this advice had a negative impact on them. Some of the papers I started reading specifically mention bad health, and being overweight leading to other health problems but the happiness discrepancies usually disappear once you correct for health. Another point mentioned was lower back pain while driving and sitting in traffic. which - for someone who rides a bicycle to work, isn't the same problem. I would be keen to update this advice to something more accurate and more specific than "live close to work".)

Comment author: Vaniver 20 June 2016 04:57:10PM 1 point [-]

I believe a number of happiness studies have found commute time negatively associated with happiness, but I don't have any references on hand, and if the ones you're seeing don't have that I'm surprised.

Comment author: Elo 21 June 2016 03:28:37AM *  -2 points [-]

Papers:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/16078055.2014.903723 http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(12)00167-5/abstract http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-834 http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(07)00745-3/abstract http://www.gallup.com/poll/142142/wellbeing-lower-among-workers-long-commutes.aspx

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3560964/ but these were not clear about what about longer commutes is a problem other than potential health problems.

As above:

I would be keen to update this advice to something more accurate and more specific than "live close to work".

(urgh comment formatting is annoying and those characters don't let me escape them)

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 20 June 2016 05:57:00AM 1 point [-]

Indeed there are not studies linked to in the repository post.

Independend of that I'd read the advice more as the avoidance of useless time. Useless in the really useless sense of time where you can't read, think, talk or anything because you are busy looking for the next connection, switch trains, hurrying along and such. "daily reading hour" sounds like quite productive use of time but is only possible if there are longer stretches of uninterrupted commute.

Comment author: pepe_prime 21 July 2016 05:30:07PM 0 points [-]

If you dig down 3 links you find the Commuter's Paradox. I found this paper to use very reasonable controls and explain itself well. Sadly, it doesn't address your question about different modes of transportation.

Comment author: lsparrish 24 June 2016 12:31:32AM 0 points [-]

Good question. I am not sure where I originally found the idea that shorter commutes make you happier, but I suspect it might have been an earlier version of this from 80000hours, which cites a couple of studies. Googling for pre-2013 media articles shows a lot of mentions of the idea as well.

The idea about a well optimized train or bus ride that Dr_Manhattan brought up also makes sense, if you live in an area with decent public transportation. It's the car drives that are a big time-killer, since you can't really turn your brain off while navigating through traffic, and traffic is usually more stressful at times you need to get to work.

There are a few productive things you can do during long drives though. For example, you can practice speeches, elevator pitches, songs, comedy bits, and so on without anyone hearing. That may not be quite as effective as interacting with another person on a bus/train, but the lack of an audience/consequences can make it easier to try out new things. Also, there's the option of consuming audio content (which you could also do with headphones on the bus or train).

Comment author: Elo 24 June 2016 01:15:13AM *  -2 points [-]

It seems like the advice would be better adapted to:

Don't have a long driving commute to work.

With a second line:

Where possible, walk, ride a bike or catch public transport where you can do something on the journey.