ChristianKl comments on Rationality when Insulated from Evidence - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 01 July 2016 02:14:47PM 2 points [-]

Can you be more specific about what you are calling GMO?

In a world of labeling I have no problem with having more specific labels for different types of it.

And what you are saying is the problem?

Goodhard's law is generally a problem when you have strong optimisation tools.

With unlabeled GMO's the commercial pressure is to create food that is as cheap as possible without regard for whether it's healthy. If you require labeling than the companies producing the food have incentives to produce healthy food.

GMO's reduce diversity of agriculture. That produces a systems that generally less robust, for reasons that Nassim Taleb talks about frequently.

Golden rice - probably fine.

Do you believe that people shouldn't know whether or not their rice has added Vitamin A? I think it's very worthwhile for people to know about it.

Comment author: Tem42 01 July 2016 03:00:41PM -1 points [-]

Do you believe that people shouldn't know whether or not their rice has added Vitamin A? I think it's very worthwhile for people to know about it.

You are jumping topic. GMO risk is different from GMO labeling. However, it is true that labeling nutrition information is good, regardless of GMO status, and that GMO may have more variation in nutritional content (positive and negative) than non-GMO.

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 July 2016 03:04:32PM 1 point [-]

No, there are practical healths risks that come from food containing substances that I don't expect. I might get too much of a certain vitamin if I don't know that it's added to my food.

Comment author: Tem42 01 July 2016 03:34:16PM 0 points [-]

Yes... but this is not an issue of GMO. This is an issue of additives. You should require information that is clearly relevant to health regardless of GMO status. GMOing is a way of adding nutrients, but we would want additives labeled regardless of how they are added.

Or, to put it another way, this is a case where the GMO change is something that should be labeled, because there is a possible effect on health. But the factor under consideration isn't that it is GMO, it is that it there is an possible effect on health.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 July 2016 10:16:33AM 1 point [-]

No, we don't want to require everybody who sells an orange to pay for lab tests that determine for every vitamin how much is contained. Making such a requirement would be a death sentence for farmers markets.

A customers has certain expecations about what an natural orange happens to be. It's a class of objects that shares basic traits. GMO allows giving the orange traits that oranges generally aren't expected to have.

GMOing is a way of adding nutrients, but we would want additives labeled regardless of how they are added.

Any GMO interventions adds new molecules. If you follow that framework, if you add genes that produce 3 new proteins, put those three proteins on the label.