reguru comments on Open Thread, Aug 29. - Sept 5. 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: reguru 08 September 2016 07:31:05PM 0 points [-]

Objects is still a map, so is territory, so is this entire sentence. That's why it's a matrix. (virtual reality)

A person well educated in physics will tell you when you ask them for the specific of the gravitational effect that it's due to space time curvuture and not because a force is pulling on substance in the way Newtonian metaphysics assumes. If you ask them whether gravity exists they will still say "Yes".

Which is one of the mistakes made by said scientists, especially if you ask them multiple times on this same point, to point out there might be a flaw. Because they won't question it otherwise.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 13 September 2016 11:07:33AM *  1 point [-]

"The cat sitting on the mat" is a map. The cat sitting on the mat is territory.

Insisitng that your opponents have an extra pair of quotes around everything, while they insist they don't have is not much of an argument.

Comment author: reguru 13 September 2016 11:20:58AM 0 points [-]

The argument is that everything is a map including anything written here, in quotes or not. It's the written language and so forth, however, many layers deep the maps go.

By excluding all maps in direct experience you uncover the territory. Which is you. Which is arational. But only by direct experience.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 13 September 2016 12:20:46PM 1 point [-]

The second sentence contradicts the first. Either there is a territory to be uncovered, or it is not the case that everything is a map.

Comment author: reguru 13 September 2016 04:01:21PM 0 points [-]

I know that it contradicts, the point is that you can see for yourself is this the case. By realizing all the concepts of "you" are maps, and that there is no need for thinking (creating new maps) to reveal this truth, you can merge with arational reality. But it can only be done by direct experience. This is an empirical investigation.