Lumifer comments on [Link] How the Simulation Argument Dampens Future Fanaticism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 11 September 2016 10:29:30PM 0 points [-]

you had some degree of say

(emphasis mine). Notice the tense.

Things change.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 13 September 2016 04:15:13PM 0 points [-]

I don't quite follow what the objection is. Suppose Alice and Bob design a simulation. They design it so that once started it will run with no interference from either of them or anyone else until it is done. Then Alice enters, while Bob does not; it then begins.

To the extent that this sim has gods, Alice is one. But there is no one outside with control. Also, the civilization did not all hop into the sim.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 September 2016 05:11:36PM 0 points [-]

They design it so that once started it will run with no interference from either of them or anyone else until it is done.

This is the case of the "dream-maker on full autopilot", right?

But I'm curious about Bob. Can Bob meddle with the simulation if he decides he wants to? Can he hit the off switch? Cut the wires? Smash the computing substrate into tiny little pieces?

To the extent that this sim has gods, Alice is one.

Why so? Alice is not a god. She has no special ("supernatural") powers. Since we are talking about our empirical reality maybe/possibly being a simulation, Alice even does not remember being outside of the simulation. She is just another unique snowflake in the Matrix. Now, Bob, he's in a very different position.