reguru comments on Reality is arational. - Less Wrong
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That's not even following the position, as you already created a map or look to create one.
Indeed, if I can remove that I would, because it misses the point, or rather that could be worked on in more detail. But maybe from the context of the arational reality, everything is arational. If you, however, are inside it, some actions may seem superior over other actions.
Lack of awareness means in my opinion, a measurement of awareness, not a separate definition. I don't think you or I cannot reach "Total awareness" while still thinking within the paradox of limited awareness. Because if I realize my awareness is limited, I become a little more aware, yet on top of that I missed my unawareness. Of course, there's probably those who has done so and know.
How is this refuting any of the arguments made? You either agree or you don't, then you say why. Useful or uselessness factor is another discussion which I didn't even bring up I think.
How is this relevant to any of the ideas made in the post?
The argument is that it is a human projection, that reality is arational. I never made the argument that just because something is a human projection doesn't mean it removes any positive connotations. You just are aware that it is a human projection, and that it is fine to be that way. (according to the argument)
I can't see why it would be the case.
Atom is a map. The void is a map. One can be invited to the void, yet speaking of it or finding it, was a map. Then one can notice one was there all along.
You couldn't find a counter-argument to my claim. Because by silencing thoughts you realize that reality does not cease to exist, even of patterns and such. A map of neural pathways is still a map, for example, because it is a thought.
It does not need a map, it simply exists as an experience, which is the point of my post. So maps are not the territory, literally.
Of course, you can, by realizing everything is a map, except the territory which cannot have a map, be explained, communicated, in any way.
When mapping things, it might be relevant to have the arational in the equation as well (metaphorically speaking) as a means to have a wider perspective.
Reality is arational. Patterns and models may project their view and believe that they are exploiting the arational, while they are actually fooling themselves without realizing it is a projection.
Which is a projection, it cannot be anything other than a projection. It's perfectly okay to discuss things while being meta-aware the discussions are projections, this is not the argument.
The insight can only be witnessed through empirical investigation. Because of the nature of this insight, it cannot be communicated. The last part was to invite you to see reality for what it is.