ChristianKl comments on Risk Contracts: A Crackpot Idea to Save the World - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 04 October 2016 05:12:23PM 1 point [-]

The known physics don't allow you to say things about things unknown to model of known physics. Unknown variables that you can describe with the model of physics are known unknowns.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 05 October 2016 04:38:41PM 0 points [-]

I agree to that. But we can't get any further if we can't agree on an intermediate point.

Would you argue about a system where we do not know the specifics of of some behavior of the system (to avoid the word 'unknown') but where we can know something about the (e.g. the probability mass) outside of the known specific behavior but still inside some general model of the system.

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 October 2016 06:31:59PM 1 point [-]

The known specific behavior is "known knowns" and not "known unknowns". There are certainly known unknowns over which you can make valuable statements.

But we can't get any further if we can't agree on an intermediate point.

Accepting the limits of what one can know is important. That does often mean that one can't go further.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 05 October 2016 09:13:37PM 0 points [-]

Yes, the known specific behavior is known known. But I'm talking about the general behavior. Where we do not know specifics of but which is still within the general model? How do you call these?

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 October 2016 09:35:21PM *  1 point [-]

"known unknowns" describes a model where you have unknown variables but you know which variables you don't know.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 06 October 2016 08:55:40PM 0 points [-]

OK with that terminology we can agree.