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Stupid people are still people. They have rights. Their propensity to make stupid decisions is not sufficient to take away from them the power to make decisions.
Yes.
Is a shrug :-) People have all kinds of political beliefs, I don't find the white nationalists to be extraordinary.
As to re-colonising Africa, see the first paragraph :-)
Hm. These views seem very likely to lead to racism.
I've read Breitbart frequently since Steve Bannon was added to Trump's campaign because I'm fascinated with how Trump (an obvious hustler/fraud/charlatan in my view) has managed to get this close to the Oval Office. It's been illuminating (in a disturbing way) in understanding where I now believe a lot of the Trump support is coming from.
I'm confident a portion of his support is just Red-Team-no-matter-what Repubs. And some are one issue Pro-Life Christians. And some are fiscal conservatives who are sincerely just concerned about the debt and spending. And some are blue collar workers in areas (Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.) where the global economy/technology caused manufacturing to dry up decades ago and they are mad as hell about the facts of the world and will just keep voting to change something, anything until they day they die...
But there is also this (disturbingly large) element of the movement that think non-white people are less than white people. Like, this group of Trump supporters are literally white supremacists—they believe white people are better suited for civilization. And, of course, no one can say that and politically get away with it in 2016, so they use all sorts of dog whistle-y language to imply it—including the main Trumpian slogan, "Make America Great Again™"
What do you mean by "racism". If you mean "the belief that people of different races differ in ability", then yes. Of cource, in that case being "racist" is in fact rational.
As Eliezer likes to say "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be".
LOL. "Could lead to dancing".
Under a common definition of racism as belief in meaningful differences between races, these views are racism. So?
I mean "racism" in a way that is significantly consequential for those who are discriminated against. An active racism.
If there truly are meaningful genetic differences between races, then so be it. But that seems to be the justification for the portion of "white supremacist" Trump supporters I mentioned above. It's an angry racism that seems likely to be problematic.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
Well, as compared the hypothetical problems this "racism" or "white supremacism" might supposedly cause in the future; the type of "police and all whites are racist" anti-racism you are promoting is having problematic consequences right now, in the form of anti-police and generally anti-white rioting by blacks in places like Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlotte, etc. Not to mention that we'll never solve the problem of large amount of black-on-black crime if we can't admit it's cause.
What is it's cause in your view? How do we solve it?
A combination of low IQ and the fact the the political will to properly police black neighborhoods doesn't exist due to the type of "anti-racism" you support.
How does low IQ directly cause crime?
What does this entail?
See any criminology textbook. Low IQ is a strong predictor of criminal behavior.
Why? This is more specuative
Inability to forsee consequences of actions.
Opportunity cost is lower - if you have a good chance to enjoy a good income through talent and hard work, then the alternative is less appealing.
Low IQ people are more likely to be at Kegan Development Level 2, which impairs empathy.
That's actually Sino-Judaic supremacism, you white gweilo untermenschen!