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Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 11 October 2016 07:34:51PM 0 points [-]

In my view, segregating the world by values would actually be really good. People who have very different belief systems should not try or be forced to live in the same country.

Comment author: WalterL 12 October 2016 02:46:05PM -1 points [-]

Yes, those with my values will live here, in Gondor. Your folks can live other there, in Mordor. Our citizens will no longer come into contact and conflict with one another, and peace will reign forever.

What, these segregated regions THEMSELVES come into conflict? Absurd. What would you even call a conflict that was between large groups of people? That could never happen. Everyone who shares my value system knows that lots of people would die, and we all agree that nothing could be worth that.

Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 12 October 2016 06:49:03PM 1 point [-]

Downvoted for making a flippant, argument-based-on-fiction response to serious comment.

Comment author: WalterL 12 October 2016 07:53:10PM -1 points [-]

Here's a more serious response.

  1. Segregating the world, period, based on whatever, is impossible without a coercive power that the existing nations of earth would consider illegal. Before you could forcefully migrate a large percentage of the world's humans you'd have to win a war with whatever portion of the UN stood against you.
  2. If you could do it, no one would admit to having any values other than those which got to live in/own the nicest places/stuff/be with their family / not be with their competitors/whatever. The technology to determine everyone's values does not exist.
  3. If you somehow derived everyone's values and split them by these, you would probably be condemning large segments of the population to misery (Lots of people's values are built around living around people who don't share them.), and there would be widespread resentment. The invincible force you used to overcome objection 1 would be tested within a generation.
Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 13 October 2016 02:27:02AM 2 points [-]

Okay, I obviously don't mean that we should value-segregate people at the point of a gun. I mean that if people naturally want to migrate towards geopolitical communities that better fit their particular value system, this is probably a good thing.

Comment author: WalterL 13 October 2016 03:52:56AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, I agree that people being able to travel freely and choose where they live is good.

Comment author: Houshalter 12 October 2016 07:28:29AM 1 point [-]

But the problem is it's not just by values. It's also by wealth and intelligence and education. If you have half of the world that is really poor, and anyone that is intelligent or wealthy automatically leaves, then they will probably stay poor forever.

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