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29 Post author: Benquo 10 December 2016 07:06AM

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Comment author: Viliam 14 December 2016 11:11:15AM *  1 point [-]

Is this supposed to be yet another "confident though erroneous claim in order to get others to explain things to you"?

You see, I am unable to say when you are playing games and when you are not. I just have a rule of thumb of avoiding debates with people whom I suspect of playing games. I simply don't enjoy this kind of games.

The problem here is my lack of trust that you are debating in good faith (as opposed to trolling for reaction). Maybe I completely misjugde you. Maybe you are doing something that contributes to such misjudgement.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 December 2016 03:28:52PM *  0 points [-]

I am unable to say when you are playing games and when you are not

I don't see this as a problem :-) Moreover, I think that "playing games or not" is not a binary choice, but rather a position on a continuous scale -- I like conversations that operate on multiple levels simultaneously with a certain level of ambiguity.

I just have a rule of thumb of avoiding debates with people whom I suspect of playing games

Sure. I'm not jumping around yelling "Debate me! Debate me!". If you don't want to, well, just don't. Like I'm free to comment on your public postings, you are free to entirely ignore my comments.

my lack of trust

What do you have at stake so that you need a lot of trust?

Comment author: Jiro 24 December 2016 10:26:36PM 0 points [-]

I think that "playing games or not" is not a binary choice, but rather a position on a continuous scale -- I like conversations that operate on multiple levels simultaneously with a certain level of ambiguity.

Partially playing games is basically just playing games, for the same reason that a barrel that is half full of wine and half full of sewage is basically full of sewage.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 December 2016 02:59:01AM 2 points [-]

So you can't imagine someone being other than (a) completely, 100% dead serious; or (2) obviously joking and not trying to communicate anything but ha-ha funny? No intermediate stages at all?

Comment author: Jiro 25 December 2016 08:55:59PM 2 points [-]

If someone is half serious and half joking, and it isn't very obvious which parts are jokes and which are not, that leaves him in a position where he can act as though something is serious up until he gets called on it, at which point he can switch to saying "of course that was bad logic/bad sources/ad hominem/etc., it was just a joke?" So you're better off acting as though it's jokes all the time.