Believe it or not, there are other reasons for considering the usefulness of continuing a discussion. But if you've decided I'm "afraid of losing" there's not much I could say to convince you otherwise, is there? [...] You're right - it doesn't at all, and that's the first and last thing I should have said on the topic here. I don't think political posts never have a place on LW, but they have to clear a certain bar of relevance to be worth the potential downsides and this one doesn't do that. As for this discussion, what are we doing here? What useful outcome could there be? You haven't convinced me of anything, I haven't convinced you of anything. We're not arguing any specific point anymore, we're just batting statements back and forth at each other, and they don't even have the merit of being original - everything you've said so far I've seen before many times, and I'm sure that's also true of my statements for you. We're having a perfectly civil exchange on another thread so it's not that either of us are fundamentally crappy discussants, but this one is turning acrimonious. [...] Our differences clearly go miles beyond BLM, and if we have to comb back through all of America's racial history - maybe even further - until we find common ground, and then argue forward from there, we'll be here for months. Even if we were unlikely to reach an agreement, but were gaining useful insights into each other's positions, or gaining respect for each other as rationalists, this might be worthwhile, but we're not. I am tapping out. If you want to put that in your win column, that's up to you.