Grognor comments on Mind Projection Fallacy - Less Wrong

35 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 11 March 2008 12:29AM

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Comment author: dbc 31 July 2012 01:07:56AM 0 points [-]

This comment was sitting at -2 when I saw it, which makes me think that maybe I don't understand Eliezer's point. I thought the OP was making the point that when we talk about something being "attractive" or "moral" or maybe even "sapient", we project facts about our minds into the real world. "Attractive" really means "attractive to humans", and if we forget this fact, we can end up inadvertently drawing wrong conclusions about the world. If that's wrong, then what was this post actually about?

Comment author: Grognor 31 July 2012 06:00:55AM *  1 point [-]

The part you highlight about shminux's comment is correct, but this part:

this would define "looks attractive to a certain subset of humans"

is wrong; attractiveness is psychological reactions to things, not the things themselves. Theoretically you could alter the things and still produce the attractiveness response; not to mention the empirical observation that for any given thing, you can find humans attracted to it. Since that part of the comment is wrong but the rest of it is correct, I can't vote on it; the forces cancel out. But anyway I find that to be a better explanation for its prior downvotation than a cadre of anti-shminux voters.

Mind you I downvoted JohnEPaton's comment because he got all of this wrong.