tristanhaze comments on Fake Reductionism - Less Wrong

41 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 March 2008 10:49PM

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Comment author: RobinHanson 17 March 2008 11:09:20PM 12 points [-]

This seems to be reasonable account - but I'm somewhat bothered by the fact that it is an unflattering account of people who are not here to defend themselves.

Comment author: tristanhaze 25 August 2014 01:08:31PM 1 point [-]

I agree with Robin that that indeed seems the weak point. It is far from clear to me, and I suspect it is not the case, that Keats here is doing something along the lines of actually trying to convey that, oh, there's nothing special about rainbows, science has explained them, or whatever. Rather, he's invoking and playing with that sort of trope, for a sophisticated poetic purpose.

I think the main point or points of Eliezer's post here are sound, but even suggesting that that sort of thing could be pinned on Keats is a needless distraction. Obviously serious poetry isn't Eliezer's strong point, as I'm sure he'd be the first to agree. The introductory quote could still be used to good effect though.

Comment author: Jiro 25 August 2014 03:35:32PM 1 point [-]

I think that Keats is not trying to convey fake reductionism, but he is trying to convey "scientists believe in fake reductionism".

The fact that he doesn't believe it himself doesn't change his misunderstanding of it.

Comment author: tristanhaze 26 August 2014 04:31:43PM 0 points [-]

I don't see any reason to think he's trying to convey that scientists in general, or good ones, or anything like that, believe in fake reductionism. Some people do, and it's more charitable to Keats to presume he was just alluding to them.