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35 Post author: Raemon 03 April 2017 06:37PM

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 04 April 2017 06:10:02PM *  0 points [-]

The Doodle poll hurts me in my soul to look at. The thing where everyone is too busy with other plans to coordinate on a single day to meet feels fundamentally wrong and broken to me somehow, although I don't know if the bay area community is particularly bad along this axis relative to other communities.

Comment author: Raemon 04 April 2017 10:17:58PM 0 points [-]

Qiaochu - I'm curious if you felt like you were talking about the same thing Elo was talking about, or a different thing? (it was unclear to me)

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 05 April 2017 08:57:42PM 5 points [-]

Different thing. I'm just sad that everyone's lives are out of sync. By contrast, there's the thing where everyone goes to church on Sunday, so everyone can at least rest assured that however busy they are the rest of the week they'll all see each other at church on Sunday.

Comment author: Elo 04 April 2017 09:09:13PM 0 points [-]

I say this every time a poll comes up like doodle. Doodle permits people to democratically have their attendance voted against.

(for someone on the edge of the group) Which is to say if our days are Tuesday and Wednesday and I vote Tuesday but more people vote Wednesday then my attendance was voted against. Democratically. More people could show up on the other day and so I am excused from attending because I can't make it.

For someone in the core of the group it's no different. Being voted against is unfortunate.

Comment author: Raemon 04 April 2017 10:15:14PM 0 points [-]

Would this be addressed if Doodle kept individual responses hidden or names obscured?

Comment author: Elo 04 April 2017 10:40:51PM 0 points [-]

No it would not be solved.

The problem with classical democracy is that people lose. poor Mr president has to turn to the 49% and say, "look I know you didn't vote for me but you are 49% of the <nationality's> way of life, to ignore that and disrespect that would be a very bad thing to do".

My experience comes from being on a committee that tried to organise by doodle poll. we had meetings more frequently than every four weeks and for a year, none of those meetings was fully attended by the committee.

Better to organise by dictator/ do-ocracy.

Comment author: Raemon 04 April 2017 10:51:20PM 0 points [-]

I'm confused about how dictatorship solves the problem in this case

Comment author: Elo 04 April 2017 10:56:04PM 1 point [-]

people respond to the problem of, "I cannot attend because the event is run at a time when I am busy" in a different way. instead of thinking, "well I tried to attend but I got voted against", the options include:

  • Talk to the organiser and let them know that I am always busy on a Wednesday and ask for different days of events
  • Reorganise my life to fit the community event in
  • skip my other commitments once to see if I want to attend this event

These solutions do not always occur if I participated in the poll but "lost".