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33 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 07 April 2008 01:51AM

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Comment author: JulianMorrison 07 April 2008 05:52:50AM 0 points [-]

There was something like a random-yet-working GLUT picked out by sheer luck - abiogenesis. And it did eventually become conscious. The original improbability is a small jump (comparatively) and the rest of the improbability was pumped in by evolution. Still, it's an existence proof of sorts - I don't think you can argue conscious origin as necessary for consciousness. There needs to be an optimizer, or enough time for luck. There doesn't really need to be any mind per se.

Comment author: khafra 17 May 2012 12:54:05PM 0 points [-]

Now, if we could only get a non-conscious optimizer to do it, or not, on command, we'd have the nonperson predicate we need.