Amanojack comments on Configurations and Amplitude - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Desrtopa 14 April 2012 03:21:24PM 1 point [-]

Just because we can't visualize something doesn't mean we can't work out the rules. If quantum mechanical models accurately describe what's happening, the fact that we can't picture it in our heads is not a problem.

I would be a lot more willing to help you understand if I didn't think you're being obtuse on purpose though.

Comment author: Amanojack 08 May 2012 06:06:50PM 1 point [-]

If quantum mechanical models accurately describe what's happening, the fact that we can't picture it in our heads is not a problem.

I think there's a danger of equivocating here on the words "what's happening." In other words, which "what's happening" do the QM models describe?

I'll elaborate. If we observe X, do the QM models describe X, or do they describe the (so far unobserved) phenomena that may underly X?

  • If the mathematical QM model merely describes X, it's hard to see how it is anything other than a very succinct cataloging of the observations, put in a very useful form. That's quite an achievement, but I can understand the hesitation with calling it an explanation or a theory.

  • If the QM model actually describes some as-yet unobserved phenomena that is proposed to underly X, then it seems like it avoids Monkeymind's criticisms because there is actually something additional being posited to be happening, behind the scenes as it were.

If it is the latter, I'd be interested in seeing an example (anything in QM).

Comment author: TimS 08 May 2012 07:14:52PM 0 points [-]

If QM were false, computer circuits would not work.

Comment author: dlthomas 08 May 2012 07:18:20PM 1 point [-]

That depends how false, and in what ways.

Comment author: TimS 08 May 2012 07:20:17PM *  0 points [-]

Yes, but I'm a lawyer and lack the background to give a more specific example. All I'm trying to say is that disbelieving QM does have practical, real-world consequences.

Comment author: Desrtopa 09 May 2012 08:51:22PM *  0 points [-]

If the QM model actually describes some as-yet unobserved phenomena that is proposed to underly X, then it seems like it avoids Monkeymind's criticisms because there is actually something additional being posited to be happening, behind the scenes as it were.

There are probably more examples than I'm aware of, but as I pointed out in an earlier comment to Monkeymind, quantum entanglement, which was regarded as an extremely counterintuitive prediction, was predicted by quantum mechanical models well in advance of observation.

ETA: Bose-Einstein condensates also come to mind.