TimS comments on Configurations and Amplitude - Less Wrong

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Comment author: komponisto 09 May 2012 01:12:50AM *  4 points [-]

On the contrary, the karma system exists in order to make such "cracking down" unnecessary. If comments are downvoted sufficiently, they are hidden. This system is supposed to replace moderator action. If moderators are going to control content then we may as well not have voting.

I'm speaking up in this instance in particular because it seems to me that the only problem with the commenter in question is an intellectual one. The person isn't behaving badly in any sense other than arguing for an incorrect view and not noticing the higher level of their opponents (which after all can hardly be expected). It's exactly the kind of thing that downvotes alone are supposed to handle. We're not talking about a troll or spammer.

The reason it's important to make this distinction is that censoring for purely viewpoint-based reasons is a Rubicon that we need not cross.

(EDIT: I'll also point out, for clarity, that I myself have not responded to any of Monkeymind's comments. Being opposed to banning a commenter is not to be confused with being in favor of engaging them.)

Comment author: TimS 09 May 2012 01:24:01AM 1 point [-]

There is a point at which not getting the message from karma is sufficiently damaging to the community that moderator action is called for.

Comment author: komponisto 09 May 2012 01:38:25AM 1 point [-]

Karma does not merely send messages to the user, but actually does the work of moderation by causing comments to be hidden.

Comment author: TimS 09 May 2012 02:41:55AM 0 points [-]

On the sidebar too? That's the most aggravating issue, to me.

Comment author: komponisto 09 May 2012 02:52:38AM 1 point [-]

If that's the problem, shouldn't the solution be to implement comment-hiding on the sidebar?

Comment author: albeola 09 May 2012 02:53:48AM 1 point [-]

Comments in the sidebar tend to be too new to have been voted below -3 or whatever the threshold is.

Comment author: komponisto 09 May 2012 02:57:34AM 0 points [-]

One could make the sidebar-threshold lower than the ordinary threshold....

Comment author: albeola 09 May 2012 02:58:33AM *  0 points [-]

True, but it would discriminate less well. It would hide many OK comments that happened to be downvoted once or twice.

Note that for this solution to be an argument against the banning solution, it would need to actually be implemented. Are you predicting that will happen?

Comment author: komponisto 09 May 2012 03:03:49AM 2 points [-]

I'm saying it ought to be done, if the problem is as described. Or, in other words, that I prefer such a solution over the alternative being proposed (moderator intervention to remove comments).

Comment author: albeola 09 May 2012 03:08:24AM *  0 points [-]

So you're not saying that you prefer no banning to banning (given whatever you predict will actually happen to the sidebar)?