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Comment author: whowhowho 12 February 2013 11:38:19PM 8 points [-]

You ought to, however, agree that QM is special: no other physical model has several dozens of interpretations, seriously discussed by physicists and philosophers alike. This is an undisputed experimental fact (about humans, not about QM).

Perhaps you mean the sheer quantity is so great. But there have been, an are, disputes about classical pysyics and relativity. Some of them have been resolved by just beiieving the theory and abandoning contrary intuitions. At one time, atoms were dismissed as a "mere calculational device". Sound familiar?

Comment author: shminux 13 February 2013 12:12:46AM 2 points [-]

Sure, every new theory is like that initially. But it only takes a short time for the experts to integrate the new weird ideas, like relative spacetime, or event horizons, or what have you. There is no agreement among the experts about the ontology of QM (beyond the undisputed assertion that head-in-the-sand "shut up and calculate" works just fine), and it's been an unusually long time. Most agree that the wave function is, in some sense, "real", but that's as far as it goes. So the difference is qualitative, not just quantitative. Simply "trusting the SE" gives you nothing useful, as far as the measurement is concerned.

Comment author: whowhowho 13 February 2013 12:19:52AM *  1 point [-]

"shut up and calculate" works just fine

It doesn't work "fine", or at all, as an interpretation. It's silent as to what it means.

There is no agreement among the experts about the ontology of QM (b

There are slowly emerging themes, such as the uselessness of trying to recover classical physics at the fundamental level, and the importance of decoherence.

Simply "trusting the SE" gives you nothing useful, as far as the measurement is concerned.

I don't see what you mean by that. An interpretation that says "trust the SE" (I suppose you mean "reify the evolution of the WF according to the SE") won't give you anything results-wise, because its an interpretation

Comment author: shminux 13 February 2013 12:26:44AM 0 points [-]

It doesn't work "fine", or at all, as an interpretation.

Uh, no. It's not an interpretation (i.e. "explanation"), it's an explicit refusal to interpret the laws.

Anyway, time to disengage, we are not converging.

Comment author: private_messaging 14 February 2013 08:04:57AM *  -1 points [-]

Most agree that the wave function is, in some sense, "real", but that's as far as it goes

Yeah. Note also that if you are observing a probability distribution, that doesn't imply that something computed the probability density function. E.g. if you observe random dots positions of which follow Gaussian distribution, that could be count of heads in a long string of coin tosses rather than Universe Machine really squaring some real number, negating result, and calculating an exponent.