Peter_de_Blanc comments on The Failures of Eld Science - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 12 May 2008 03:15:23PM 5 points [-]

So how can we practice bringing order out of scientific chaos?

It might be that most of us were born too early to become students of the Bayesutsukai, because we've already been exposed to too many answers or hints. There's plenty of existing science that we don't know, of course, but we'll never have the experience of discovering evolution ourselves. Maybe we should be training six-year-olds.

We can get some practice on made-up worlds; a bigger version of Zendo. I'm sure this is better than no training, but we are not products of these made-up worlds, so I don't think it would be as effective for teaching us to be cognitive scientists.

Comment author: hwc 03 January 2011 02:29:54AM 3 points [-]

Zendo should be a national sport.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 January 2011 03:27:21AM 6 points [-]

I looked up zendo on wikipedia and it looks awesome. Is there some way it (or a similar, less visual variant) could be played on the internet among a group of lesswrongers, like the Rationalist Diplomacy games? I could create a number-or-verbal-based version of arbitrary complexity that could be played over IRC or in a thread. I have some time on my hands, so I'll start on a number based version (using strings of numbers that may or may not have the buddha-nature). Anyone else who is interested in a game, please let me know.

Comment author: levity 22 July 2011 10:03:01PM 0 points [-]

Did you ever get anywhere with this? I'd love to work on such a game. You can contact me via the same handle on twitter or @gmail.com.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 25 July 2011 01:26:12AM 1 point [-]

I played a game with strings of numbers here. If you'd like to play another, create an account on the forum and make a thread for it. I'd be happy to play again, it was fun the first time.

Comment author: VAuroch 19 November 2013 10:40:16AM 0 points [-]

Areas of my expertise: this. There exists a card game called Eleusis, and a simpler variant , Eleusis Express, which are played with standard playing cards and which were purpose-built for precisely this purpose; simulating the scientific method, with emphasis on the non-incremental regimes of scientific progress. These rules can be found here, Express here, and the BoardGameGeek page for the game is here. Expanding this to larger card numbers, etc. should be an easy modification to make, and I would happily do so if there were interest. I can attest that the game is quite fun.

Comment author: MugaSofer 24 November 2013 08:48:49PM 0 points [-]

Well, there's always the HPMOR method: have someone invent a fictional universe (preferably hidden-world fantasy) and have people with a scientific education discover magic and try to understand how it works and how to exploit it.