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Comment author: quen_tin 23 September 2010 05:31:17PM 0 points [-]

I can communicate with other people, therefore I assume they are conscious. It's an empirical evidence, which leads to an inter-subjective viewpoint.

From this inter-subjective viewpoint, we can all agree that only the present exists, and only this world.

The troubles we can get with scientific models are always of the same kind: it is an instantiation problem. Scientific models do not say anything about existence, they are only good at predictions.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 23 September 2010 06:24:08PM 1 point [-]

From this inter-subjective viewpoint, we can all agree that only the present exists, and only this world.

Sorry for the flip reply, but shouldn't that rather be "only that"?

I think I get your idea about the difficulty of assuming the reality of unreachable states, but you seem to keep making ungrounded jumps from intuitions to assertions of certainty.

Comment author: quen_tin 23 September 2010 08:36:06PM -1 points [-]

You're right, there is no certainty, but my jumps are not totally ungrounded. We all experience a flow of time in a single world, and the many-worlds interpretion does not really explains it.

Comment author: wedrifid 23 September 2010 08:50:10PM 1 point [-]

You're right, there is no certainty, but my jumps are not totally ungrounded. We all experience a flow of time in a single world, and the many-worlds interpretion does not really explains it.

It really does. At the level of everyday life branching explains our experiences exactly as well as a non-quantum explanation. When we happen to be using scientific apparatus our experience is better explained by MW.

Comment author: quen_tin 23 September 2010 09:54:08PM 0 points [-]

It does not explain why we followed that path in the many world, not another one. Our experience is "better explain" > it is a good heuristic interpretation.

Comment author: wedrifid 23 September 2010 09:57:43PM 1 point [-]

It does not explain why we followed that path in the many world, not another one.

It doesn't explain that because that isn't what happened.

Comment author: quen_tin 24 September 2010 08:44:23AM -1 points [-]

That is my experience. As far as I can know if something happened, that happened.

Comment author: wedrifid 24 September 2010 08:49:15AM 1 point [-]

You confusing experience itself with your intuitions about experience. Your actual experience makes just as much sense if you perceive yourself to be part of a great tree of branches.

Comment author: quen_tin 24 September 2010 09:28:04AM 0 points [-]

Then I followed a path on this tree.

Comment author: wedrifid 24 September 2010 05:39:14PM 0 points [-]

Evidently.