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Comment author: lessdazed 03 September 2011 10:44:01PM *  5 points [-]

Revolutionary France didn't declare war to conquest others...To the contrary, the Revolution aimed to end war

People excuse by citing intentions, and accuse by citing consequences.

To the contrary, the Revolution aimed to end war, stating in the Constitution of the First French Republic (at my knowledge, for the first time in history, but I may be wrong on that)

It seems like that's the implicit goal of nearly every ideology, for after it's universally adopted.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 03 September 2011 11:02:18PM 5 points [-]

People excuse by citing intentions, and accuse by citing consequences.

It seems to be possible either way, excusing by citing consequences and accusing by citing intentions alike. Your commentary seems to lack explanatory power.

(On the other hand, the point about the evidence being filtered is well-taken.)

Comment author: lessdazed 03 September 2011 11:04:11PM *  1 point [-]

It seems to be possible either way

Intentions are usually actually good. It's true people defend and attack on both avenues simultaneously to see what sticks, but the reality is usually good intentions leading to bad effects (not net effects, this is assumed to be true of all individual outcomes through the halo effect), so rhetorical moves count on the audience to assume intentions and effects are correlated while citing true and incontrovertible things about intentions or effects, depending on the side.