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Comment author: blacktrance 19 April 2014 08:45:24PM *  -1 points [-]

Because I'd have no reason to. To clarify, I don't mean that I'd literally not do anything, I mean that I wouldn't have a reason to do anything. I would still have impulses that would cause me to do things. But I wouldn't do anything more complicated than feed myself when I'm hungry.

Comment author: somnicule 20 April 2014 08:51:03PM 0 points [-]

So you don't have any impulse to relieve your own boredom, or to spend time with other people, or to seek out better-tasting food?

Comment author: blacktrance 21 April 2014 04:22:29PM 0 points [-]

Fulfilling those impulses would require significant conscious deliberation, and (unlike not eating/drinking) not fulfilling them would not be extremely unpleasant, so if I deliberated on them, I'd think "I have this impulse, but why should I fulfill it?" and I wouldn't fulfill it. In the case of food, I'd also think "I have this impulse, but why should I fulfill it?", but if I'd wait long enough, I'd feel so hungry that my deliberative process would be overridden. So, it takes not just having an impulse, but having an impulse strong enough to override conscious decisionmaking.

Comment author: somnicule 23 April 2014 04:10:19PM 0 points [-]

Wouldn't it be easier to just go with those impulses?

Comment author: blacktrance 23 April 2014 04:11:06PM 0 points [-]

Perhaps, but why should I do what's easier?

Comment author: somnicule 24 April 2014 10:39:37AM 0 points [-]

Basically I'm confused as to what process you went through to decide that sitting around doing precisely nothing is what you'd do. There's nothing that comes to mind to weight it over other options, and you seem pretty determined to stick to it.

Comment author: blacktrance 24 April 2014 04:48:47PM *  0 points [-]

To do anything that requires thought/deliberation, I would have to choose to do it, and I'd have no reason to choose to do it, so I would remain in the default state, which is doing nothing (beyond relieving instinctual needs).

Currently, I have reasons to do what I do, but if it were proven to me that there were no morality, it would also have to be proven that there are no reasons why I should do anything.

Comment author: somnicule 25 April 2014 01:19:14PM 0 points [-]

so I would remain in the default state, which is doing nothing (beyond relieving instinctual needs).

That doesn't answer anything, really. All you've done is wrapped the same thing in some extra words. That doesn't seem to be anything resembling a "default state" to me, for instance, since humans tend to do a lot more than that even when they're not thinking about morality.

Comment author: blacktrance 25 April 2014 04:02:08PM 0 points [-]

I suspect we're using the term "morality" differently.